Friday, December 11, 2009

Wishful Thinking Won't Work

UPDATE: below

Steven Den Beste -- a retired engineer who was among the earliest and best bloggers, sadly, long retired -- distinguishes between "materialists" and "teleologists" at Hot Air:
One way to compare and contrast those two world views is to consider what they think about socialism. Materialists look at history since Marx and point out that socialism has been tried many times, in many nations, in various forms, and it has always failed. In places where it was fully implemented the result was decline and economic collapse. When it was only partially implemented you got slower decline. It often looks like it’s working in the early stages, but in the longer term it has never succeeded.

So to materialists, it’s apparent that socialism is a nice idea, but one that doesn’t work and shouldn’t be adopted.

To teleologists, none of that matters. What matters is the fact that it’s a beautiful idea. It’s how things should be. In a world in which socialism was implemented and which worked the way the teleologists think it should work, you really would have a utopia. The fact that it’s invariably failed when used doesn’t change any of that. (When asked to explain all the failures, usually the answer is, "They didn’t do it right." But for teleologists, a long string of failures doesn’t matter because fundamentally teleologists don’t believe things like that make any difference.)

It’s teleologists who drive around with bumper stickers that say, "Imagine world peace." I can imagine it just fine. I don’t expect to see it in my lifetime, though. Why would they want me to imagine it?

It’s because teleologists believe that human thought truly affects things. Of course it does; thought precedes action, and actions change history, right? Yeah, but that’s not the point. Teleologists believe that thought directly affects things. The mere act of thinking about something and wanting it a lot directly changes reality, even if the thought doesn’t get translated into action.

It was teleologists who were mainly involved in the anti-war movement about five years ago when it was at its greatest. I remember reading about how they’d have a demonstration somewhere. Lots of people would come out. They’d parade about carrying signs saying, "End the war!" Someone would burn a giant mockup of President Bush’s head. And afterwards they’d all talk about how successful the demonstration had been.

Successful how? It didn’t have any political effect that I ever noticed. The war didn’t end because of the demonstrations. So what was it that they thought was successful? Well, if you asked them they’d talk about how there was all sorts of positive vibes. How good it felt to be out there. And how so many people were feeling the same thing. Which sounds like masturbation, if you’re a materialist, but genuinely makes sense for a teleologist. They really thought that if enough of them got together and wanted the war to end strongly enough, it would spontaneously end. Not because getting enough voters on their side would have electoral consequences, but because the act of wanting it would directly bring that about.

To a materialist this sounds like insanity.


Wolf Howling:
I wonder how we get so many "teleologists" in America? Is it a defective gene, or are they made that way by nurture, by a "social justice" education system, and disneyfication. That is a question for psychologists. Regardless, it does explain why socialism has repeatedly risen from its grave.
(via Instapundit)


OBloodyHell said...

> It’s teleologists who drive around with bumper stickers that say, "Imagine world peace." I can imagine it just fine. I don’t expect to see it in my lifetime, though. Why would they want me to imagine it?

Ditto for the geniuses who have the "COEXIST" bumper sticker made from different religious symbols.

The rational person notes "One of these things is not like the others", and that that is what directly prevents "COEXIST"ence from happening. It's almost certainly not the reader of the bumper sticker who is preventing "COEXIST"ence.

And, what, even IF the reader is of that persuasion, what does the bumper-sticker proponent expect, a V-8 moment:

"WOW, we could just COEXIST!?!? Yeah!"


One is led to presume serious cognitive impairment and a massively reduced rational mental toolset on the part of the bumper-sticker user...


LOL: word verif is "tricklet"

Carl said...

Every time I see the COEXIST bumper sticker, I'm tempted to ram the car displaying it.

GW said...

I wonder how much of this comes from the Disneyfication of America. "If you just believe . . ." I happen to like Disney, and though I was never close to being a liberal at any point in my lifetime, I recall hitting age 25, standing on a mountain in a third world country, and thinking to myself how much my disneyfied view of the world differed from reality.