Monday, June 08, 2009

Words vs. Facts, Part II

President Barack Obama speaking at Cairo University June 4th:
The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent is as -- it is as if he has killed all mankind. And the Holy Koran also says whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind. The enduring faith of over a billion people is so much bigger than the narrow hatred of a few. Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism -- it is an important part of promoting peace.
The first sentence of the Koran verse to which Obama was referring (Sura 5:32):
For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men;
The next sentence of Sura 5:32:
and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
The next verse (Sura 5:33):
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement
Eighteen verses ahead, Sura 5:51:
O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Sura 8:38:
Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
Sura 9:5:
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura 2:193:
And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Oh, by the way, Sura 4:34:
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Merciful--to Muslims--and Great--to Muslims, the only "innocents".

See also Hodjas Blog, BeldarBlog and Wolf Howling:
What Obama did was a a trick out of Psychology 101. It is a technique that he uses often. He articulates the complaints of his audience without judgment. This is effective because it leaves the audience with the belief that Obama understands their complaint and empathizes with it. But the downside of that technique is that, if it is not followed by some clearly articulated honesty, it simply reinforces in the audience that their complaints are valid. It is a superb technique for psychologists, mediators, and politicians campaigning for office. It is a dangerous tool indeed for a person charged with the responsibilities of leadership.


Freedomnow said...

Just words?! Don't tell me words don't matter!!!

Sura 5:51... "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Only certain words matter in Obama's lapdog media.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Obama has read those sections of the Koran that relate to "jihad," "infidel," "cut off...." and all those other sections that cause Islamic people to murder nonIslamic people while envisioning themselves as high, holy and superior as the sadistic, barbaric Nazis who destroyed a huge positive, productive portion of humanity. May all those who hate Jewish people, teach hatred of Jewish people and do anything to harm Jewish people reap the negativity they sow.

bobn said...


The Koran is just getting started - to really see the evil, you have to read the Hadiths, too.

Here are some interesting links I found while looking around this:

An interesting dismantling of the alleged calls to violence in the bible compared to the real ones in the Koran: Flying Hijacked Planes into Glass Houses - A response to the American Muslim article: Throwing Stones at the Qur'an from a Glass House.

And this Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Fighting Kuffar.

That whole WikiIslam looks like it might be worth some study.

And, completely off topic, just for you and OBH, my latest on the Mortgage Disaster.

Carl said...


Thanks for the link to the presentation--very interesting.

bobn said...


Yes it is. It covers many of the reasons I am so much more pessimistic than are you and OBH about the future of our economy.

Shantonu Basu said...

So? Cherry picking is a long-established tradition. According to 1 Samuel, the God of the Israelites ordred the killing of babies. Levitcus and Judges are roughly on the same footing. It's the interpretation that counts. Some Islamic extremists tend to take the Koran seriously at every turn. Some Jewish and Christian extremists do the same with their holy texts.