Oh, OK, so what is putting 100,000+ of our troops in Iraq for questionable reasons, with not even a scintilla of a post-invasion plan, or even a definition of victory - what is that except killing troops?My response:
Wake up - there was never a chance that this was going to end well, and there still isn't. We support our troops by getting them out of this no-win situation in the minimum amount of time.
This "not supporting the troops" meme is re-cycled McCarthyism - the right has no argument with legs, so it is (again) reduced to impugning the patriotism of its critics.
- Do the quotes support the proposition? Plainly. I can only speculate that bobn didn't read the collected quotes (at Right Wing News). Each is from a self-identified (including elected Democrat officials), or undoubtedly classified, liberal. All are hyperlinked to sources. And every one is profoundly anti-military. Honestly, I don't see any room for doubt on this point.
- Are the quoted sources isolated instances unreflective of the broader left? Hardly. The anti-military bias of the Clinton Administration was well documented. Next came the Democrats' 2004 Presidential candidate--after Naval service, John Kerry made a career out of falsely slandering soldiers, basing his foreign policy on that notion. The Democratic party has been anti-military since Vietnam; current Hill Democrat leaders don't hide it. Occasionally, leftists confront and harass servicemen in public. Then there's liberal heaven Berkeley, California. . .
This isn't some imagined meme. It's fact.
- Is the Iraq conflict inherently anti-military? bobn opposed the Iraq invasion. I supported it, still do and have reason for optimism about victory and Iraqi democracy. (I note that the Iraqi government requested that we remain, and the Iraqi people are turning more positive, which surely is relevant).
Yet, I recognize that reasonable people can disagree. And I acknowledge that it's possible to be anti-war and patriotic--so long as one doesn't claim, as bobn does, that mistakes made killing our sole accomplishment.
What's not reasonable is bobn's argument that our continuing presence in Iraq is anti-military. The fundamental flaw in such illogic, which isn't confined to bobn, is that our soldiers aren't pathetic, put-upon infants. They are adults, and each a volunteer. They are neither dumb, thuggish, depressed nor uneducated. And the military overwhelmingly supports the Coalition's actions in Iraq. Contra bobn, the recruiting and reenlistment numbers second this point.