tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post109200877989832924..comments2023-12-05T07:50:19.855-05:00Comments on No Oil for Pacifists: Kerry Tales, Part XLIII--Holidays in Cambodia@nooil4pacifistshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16688417615117569825noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-54662161079456586152008-04-01T01:51:00.000-04:002008-04-01T01:51:00.000-04:00Anony:You say "Kerry never said he was sent on any...Anony:<BR/><BR/>You say "Kerry never said he was sent on any sort of secret mission to Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968." This is a quibble. In <A HREF="http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2004/08/niedermeyer-dead.html" REL="nofollow">a later post</A>, I make clear that <A HREF="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/" REL="nofollow">Kerry claimed to have gone on a CIA/Special Ops mission to Cambodia another day</A>--which has never been confirmed. And <A HREF="http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2004/08/kerry-and-press-perfect-together.html" REL="nofollow">Kerry did claim to be on a mission in Cambodia on Christmas eve</A>--which some, but not all, of his shipmates deny. Further, crewmates supporting Kerry <A HREF="http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2004/08/kerry-tales-part-xlv-another-vietnam.html" REL="nofollow">tell inconsistent tales</A>. BTW, my posts say PCF94 except where quoting.<BR/><BR/>Why still on the case?@nooil4pacifistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688417615117569825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-67800655844012282412008-04-01T01:23:00.000-04:002008-04-01T01:23:00.000-04:00Correction: Kerry's next command was PCF 94, not ...Correction: Kerry's next command was PCF 94, not PCF 44.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-39452268338756698322008-04-01T01:14:00.000-04:002008-04-01T01:14:00.000-04:00Well, I hope you've finally figured this out after...Well, I hope you've finally figured this out after all these years.<BR/><BR/>Just to recap:<BR/><BR/>Kerry never said he was sent on any sort of secret mission to Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. He said he was on a routine patrol that left Sa Dec and went up to the border. Read the long excerpt from his journal describing the patrol in Brinkley's book.<BR/><BR/>The patrol at the border was confirmed by at least two of his crewmembers.<BR/><BR/>The boat, along with the two PBRs they were with, were ambushed. Also described in Kerry's journal excerpt published by Brinkley, and mentioned in the Kranish book.<BR/><BR/>The ambush was documented by George Elliott in Kerry's fitness report.<BR/><BR/>Kerry told Kranish and implied to Brinkley that he thought he'd crossed the Cambodian border during the patrol and/or ambush.<BR/><BR/>Once again, he never claimed to have been sent by Nixon, Johnson, or anyone else on a secret mission to Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968.<BR/><BR/>He did say that he went on one or more missions in January and/or February 1969, on his next command, PCF 44. No one has ever disproved that.<BR/><BR/>Just thought a little good information after all this time wouldn't hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-80047788925226487392007-05-24T00:40:00.000-04:002007-05-24T00:40:00.000-04:00John Kerry is so full of shit he is a danger to th...John Kerry is so full of shit he is a danger to those around him. Should they light a cigerette they could be killed by a methane gas expolosion. Kerry is an acknowleded phony. When over 200 officers and men that served in his unit signed petitions that he is a phoney what more do you need?He is a disgrace to the US Navy Officers Corps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1142200070157440292006-03-12T16:47:00.000-05:002006-03-12T16:47:00.000-05:00I was a crewmember on River Patrol boats PBR's in ...I was a crewmember on River Patrol boats PBR's in 1965 and NEVER saw a swift boat within 50 clicks north or south of SaDec for the 150 patrols I made.????????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1098403863448952772004-10-21T20:11:00.000-04:002004-10-21T20:11:00.000-04:001. It was possible for a Swift Boat to enter Cambo...1. It was possible for a Swift Boat to enter Cambodia through the major routes but these were blocked.<br /><br />2. Kerry and PCF-44 were based at Cat Lo, not Sa Dec. Their patrols did not go farther than the area around Sa Dec.<br /><br />3. The Fitness Report referred to an ambush but not action inside Cambodia. Each OinC would have gotten at least the sort of generic remarks that Kerry got regarding Sealords.<br /><br />4. The incursions mentioned were raids into VC-controlled areas within Vietnam, not into Cambodia.<br /><br />5. Men who served on PCF-44 say they did not go into Cambodia. All told, their period of service covers all the time that Kerry was in charge of PCG-44.<br /><br />6. A pro-Kerry Swiftee also does not recall going into Cambodia. Whether wandering aimlessly or on secret missions. This man, Medieros, served the entire time that Kerry was in charge of PCF-94.<br /><br />7. Swift boats were not suited to steath missions. They wre limited to the deeper and larger routes which restricted options for entry. The Swiftees were not equipped nor trained for such missions. If there had been special forces inside Cambodia at that time, they did not hitch a ride with Kerry in a fifty-foot boat and its two diesel engines buzzing along shallow canals in the dark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1093140873360404412004-08-21T22:14:00.000-04:002004-08-21T22:14:00.000-04:00If it were a Republican challenger putting so much...If it were a Republican challenger putting so much emphasis on a Swift Boat Career in Vietnam & so little on anything else that he has done in public life, "Saturday Night Live" would surely be doing a series of skits with the Republcan Challenger & his band of brothers going all over the world on their Swift Boat solving problems like Cartoon Action Heroes. They would start out with a scene similar to Kerry & his guys making a mock heroic landing at Boston Harbor, then cut to scenes where they are in the boat again being propelled onto dry land & into the mounainous Pakistan-Afghanistan border area. They swiftly ride in their boat through those mountains up to the mouth of a cave, then into it. They would jump out, Rambo-like, guns blazing, then they corner & capture a shaking & whimpering Bin Laden. That would be just one in a series of Action Hero skits they would be doing if Kerry were a Republican.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092700947260917792004-08-16T20:02:00.000-04:002004-08-16T20:02:00.000-04:00It's The Corruption, Stupid!!! Gov. McGreevey's ga...It's The Corruption, Stupid!!! Gov. McGreevey's gayness isn't the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092538484698838252004-08-14T22:54:00.000-04:002004-08-14T22:54:00.000-04:00From Kerry's Fitness Report (page 24 of this PDF)
...From Kerry's Fitness Report (page 24 of this PDF)<br />http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Fitness_Reports.pdf<br /><br /><I>"LTJG Kerry was assigned to this division for only a short time but during that time exhibited all the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgement in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta. Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, <B>including an ambush during the Christmas truce</B>, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action. Though relatively new to the PCF he is thoroughly knowledgeable of all aspects of his boat and PCF operations. He was <B>instrumental in planning of highly successful Sea Lords Operations</B>. He was cited for his <B>performance during action</B> against the enemy by Commander Task Force in his message 080807Z Jan 69."</I>Note that "performance during action" doesn't sound like his only participation was "planning".<br /><br />Now to add that "Sea Lords Operations" involved incursions into Cambodia:<br />http://www.pcf45.com/sealords/sealords.htm<br /><br />As to whether it's implausible that a Swift boat might go into Cambodia and drop someone off there, see http://www.pcf45.com/sealords/yrbm16/yrbm16.html<br /><br /><I>"The fellow on the right was a freelance journalist and photographer that had caught <B>a ride into Cambodia on a US Swift Boat</B>. He asked to be dropped off on the shore to proceed on his own. It is hoped that he found what he was looking for and survived to tell about it."</I>Sure doesn't sound like that was a "physical impossibility", as Steve Gardner claimed.<br /><br />In fact, the Navy said Swift boats were involved in those Cambodian incursions:<br />http://www.ironbutterfly.ws/pressrl4.html<br /><br /><I>"An acronym for 'Southeast Asia Lake, Ocean, River, Delta Strategy', SEALORDS started on October 18, 1968 when a Navy Swift boat (PCF) reconnoitered the entrance to the Cua Lon River on the Gulf of Thailand side of the Ca Mau Penisula. Following this mission, <B>Swift boat crewmen conducted a series of incursions</B> along the southern rivers and canals upsetting base camps and cutting Viet Cong supply and communication lines."</I>So Gardner simply lied about it being a "physical impossibility" for a Swift boat to enter Cambodian waters.<br /><br />Yet it was on the basis of Gardner's (now disproved) claim that Kerry was called a liar.<br /><br />Since the Commander of U.S. Naval Forces in Vietnam said Swift boats <B>were</B> going into Cambodia starting in October 1968, and Kerry's Fitness Report says he was "instrumental" in that operation, it seems Kerry's story does have some official corroboration. But his accusers are now proved liars.<br /><br />Kerry was based at Sa Dec at the time. This was a base for Navy river boats patrolling the Cambodian border and conducting incursions — in fact, it was later made the <B>headquarters</B> of Swift Boat Coastal Division 13 because of its advantageous position.<br />http://pcf45.com/sealords/sadec/sadec.html<br /><br />That is, it wasn't the Swift boats' "northernmost patrol area", but the place they went <B>from</B> to do patrols and incursions, and returned <B>to</B> afterwards.<br /><br />The Fitness Report refers to "an <B>ambush</B> during the Christmas truce", which indicates that the attack happened in the field, on a mission or patrol, not "an attack on the base". So this had to have been at least <B>toward</B> Cambodia from Sa Dec, since missions & patrols from Sa Dec went either along or across the Cambodian border. In fact, Kerry's contemporaneous journal entry of that Christmas firefight refers to going <B>back</B> toward Sa Dec <B>after</B> the incident. If Sa Dec had been his "northernmost patrol area" and not his base, he'd have been going <B>away</B> from Sa Dec at the end of his patrol.<br /><br />-- RavenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092532559729567822004-08-14T21:15:00.000-04:002004-08-14T21:15:00.000-04:00Susan--thanks for your intelligent and accurate co...Susan--thanks for your intelligent and accurate comments. Your critics here should be ashamed, especially now that the Kerry campaign's conceded the point. <br /><br />http://nooilforpacifists.blogspot.com/2004/08/welcome-instapundit-readers-welcome.html@nooil4pacifistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688417615117569825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092345860310316352004-08-12T17:24:00.000-04:002004-08-12T17:24:00.000-04:00Anonymous who posted that the half-day in Sa Doc w...Anonymous who posted that the half-day in Sa Doc wasn't in his diary should go and read it properly:<br /><br />"A briefing with the Navy and another refueling and then away again. You have lost half the day just relaxing at Sa Doc, taking in the scene and basking in the security of your thoughts and the memories that today come steadily and quickly."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092263488498596512004-08-11T18:31:00.000-04:002004-08-11T18:31:00.000-04:00If there was a believable answer to Kerry's Cambod...If there was a believable answer to Kerry's Cambodian lies, the DNC war room would have broadcast it from here to Phnom Penh by now. What is their answer? Dead silence. The issue is only an issue because it is so central to Kerry's self-spun mythology. HE has made Vietnam the central issue of his campaign. Whatever George Bush was doing during that war is irrelevant; he is not running on his activities during that time. Kerry is. Personally, I would like to hear Kerry boast about his activities during his 20 years in the Senate, and what a friend of the military he was then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092248705850136792004-08-11T14:25:00.000-04:002004-08-11T14:25:00.000-04:00"Wasn't eight years of grief the country went thro..."Wasn't eight years of grief the country went through because a president parses words and is a know liar."<br /><br />So let's see, a President lies about a blow job, the economy goes great and we are at peace. And we are a 'country in grief'.<br /><br />Vs.<br /><br />A President lies to get us into a war, erases a multi-trillion dollar surplus, gets 1,000 soldiers killed, kills 10,000 civilians, lies about the $150,000,000,000 EXTRA cost of a health care system, but DOESN"T GET LAID, and you folks scream for 'Four More Years?'.<br /><br />Wild.<br /><br />Oh yeah, and if some of those bullets that missed Kerry has been three or four inches to the left or to the right, he's just be another name on a wall.<br /><br />That's why people call such actions 'Heroic'.<br /><br />People who attack that kind of record are usually called traitors, but given their propensity to use that tactic (McCain, Cleland, Kerry), I think 'neo-cons' is a more accurate appelation for those that attack the patriotism, for political gain, of those who put their lives on the line, the front line, for the country.Robot Pirate Ninjahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642735304356170031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092244663278915022004-08-11T13:17:00.000-04:002004-08-11T13:17:00.000-04:00Susan, the media certainly is biased: see this quo...Susan, the media certainly is biased: see this quote from Evan Thomas, the Asst. Managing Editor of Newsweek, on Inside Washington last month:<br /><br />“There’s one other base here: the media. Let’s talk a little media bias here. The media, I think, wants Kerry to win. And I think they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards -- I’m talking about the establishment media, not Fox, but -- they’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic and all, there’s going to be this glow about them that some, is going to be worth, collectively, the two of them, that’s going to be worth maybe 15 points.” <br /><br />http://www.wusatv9.com/insidewashington/insidewashington_article.aspx?storyid=31231Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092235766824031172004-08-11T10:49:00.000-04:002004-08-11T10:49:00.000-04:00One further note, McCain says this is exactly the ...One further note, McCain says this is exactly the kind of libel which was spoken against him, and in fact, it turns out that the same folks are leading the challenge to Kerry's war record as suggested McCain collaborated with his Vietnamese captors when he was campaigning against Bush in 2000. Bush and his people will say anything to stay in power, and unless you believed them about McCain, I don't know why you'd accept their story about Kerry. <br /><br />Bush's reality distortion field is the privilege of the megarich, who can afford to screw up again and again and not suffer for it; this is not the truth of real Americans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092235012299252252004-08-11T10:36:00.000-04:002004-08-11T10:36:00.000-04:00Where does Kerry's journal say he spent half the d...Where does Kerry's journal say he spent half the day in Sa Dec?<br /><br />I've pulled up the link you provided, and the only reference to Sa Dec is this:<br /><br /><B>You head back towards Sa Dec to make your report...</B>While Kerry says he asks a crewmember to draft a report, nothing in the entry states that he was actually *in* Sa Dec on that day.<br /><br />I can head to Sa Dec on foot right now myself, but I won't make it there by evening...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092234898624670282004-08-11T10:34:00.000-04:002004-08-11T10:34:00.000-04:00Does this so called incursion into Cambodia to del...Does this so called incursion into Cambodia to deliver a CIA operative onto Cambodian soil sound familiar? Straight out of the movie Apocalypse Now, on a PBR though not a Swift. Perhaps this is where he gets his tall tale. Wasn't the movie Apocalypse Now released in 1979?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092234010823816402004-08-11T10:20:00.000-04:002004-08-11T10:20:00.000-04:00It finally dawned on me. Kerry is a typical Marxis...It finally dawned on me. Kerry is a typical Marxist. Why should we expect any logical thought coming out of his leftist dome?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092218196777174212004-08-11T05:56:00.000-04:002004-08-11T05:56:00.000-04:00What Dr. said. You fuckers can whip yourselves in ...What Dr. said. You fuckers can whip yourselves in a frenzy over anything...Fact is that GWB didn't go to Vietnam, and you aren't in Iraq. So you both can fuck yourselves. Get half the courage that Kerry displayed and i won't say a word. They still need good, brave people like you in Iraq. C'mon. Get some, you fucking coward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092211377333558882004-08-11T04:02:00.000-04:002004-08-11T04:02:00.000-04:00Ha ha, watch the wingnuts whip themselves up into ...Ha ha, watch the wingnuts whip themselves up into an anti-Kerry frenzy about what Kerry did or did not do in Vietnam, while their chosen leader was doing lines and AWOL from the National Guard and his first lady was running over boyfriends with her car!Dr. Menlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12524389645617131084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092186044785399532004-08-10T21:00:00.000-04:002004-08-10T21:00:00.000-04:00George Bush isn't running for President based on h...George Bush isn't running for President based on his service in Vietnam. John Kerry is. In fact, that's about ALL John Kerry is running on. There are people who "remember things differently" than the way John Kerry does - so significantly so that they bring John Kerry's mental stability and integrity into question. It would be extremely foolish for the American public to NOT take this information into consideration in electing our next president. Trying to change the subject - trying to force a comparison between John Kerry's experiences with President Bush's wartime experiences, for example - only prove that this is a serious issue that needs to be examined, and one the candidate (and his party) doesn't want addressed. If major portions of John Kerry's wartime record are false (or worse - based on fraud and deceit), it's absolutely essential that John Kerry address this issue, and show why we should elect someone with such a penchant for this type of gross embelishment. And before anybody takes any cheap shots at me, I am a Vietnam veteran - one who served his full one-year tour without getting a single Purple Heart (self-inflicted or otherwise).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092178741553431692004-08-10T18:59:00.000-04:002004-08-10T18:59:00.000-04:00It doesn't matter if Kerry lies. All Democrats li...It doesn't matter if Kerry lies. All Democrats lie. It's part of their nature. How can we blame Kerry if it's part of his DNA structure. Nobody expects him to tell the truth about his anti-war involvement ,his Senate votes, his wife's finances, his relationship to George Soro, much less four months in Vietnam.<br /><br />He is content free. 100% no substance. His answer to all of today's problems from the common cold to nuclear weapon development in Iran is "I can do better than Bush". There is never any explanation on how he can make France love us, much less how he can give health care and balance the budget. He is a champion fence straddler. There has never been a political issue that he couldn't straddle. His positions have been mis-characterized as flip-flops. Those nasty Republicans are wrong, he takes every position and never changes. It works when major media acts as his campaigners. God save the Republic...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092166550823490372004-08-10T15:35:00.000-04:002004-08-10T15:35:00.000-04:00Yea yea Nixon was President-Elect in 68 , but was...Yea yea Nixon was President-Elect in 68 , but was not the CIC till 69.<br /><br />Google your facts right dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-1092166142602574812004-08-10T15:29:00.000-04:002004-08-10T15:29:00.000-04:00Kerry makes it sound like his forays into Cambodia...Kerry makes it sound like his forays into Cambodia were etched into his eternal subconscience. <br /><br />While I might forgive a misrecollection about Kerry's dining habits in 1968, it's hard to believe his memory would falter on such an important issue.<br /><br />Who amongst us would make a mistake like this? <br /><br />He seems to remember the events so vividly, as if they happened but yesterday.<br /><br />I think I would remember being shot at by the Khmer Rouge on Christmas Eve while engaged in an illegal firefight.<br /><br />It's obvious Kerry likes to "spice up" his military achievements. He likes a good yarn now and again. Unfortunately, he can't seem to reconcile his yarns with the truth.<br /><br />Kerry's not the first Vet to augment his war stories. He's just the first to stand by his lies while he runs for President of the United States.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6427940.post-109216447155806302004-08-10T15:01:00.000-04:002004-08-10T15:01:00.000-04:00I think we should call Kerry the fantasy candidate...I think we should call Kerry the fantasy candidate not just based upon the "stories" of his experience in Cambodia but also on the basis of his Convention speech where he fantasized about being a "war president." As to the Cambodian story, three members of his crew have stated they were not in Cambodia and two have refused to answer. Did he go alone? These "stories" he wove are not just little white lies but full blown departures from reality. Is this the person we want as Commander in Chief?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com